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	<title>Comments on: An Undeserved Honour</title>
	<link>http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/10/10/an-undeserved-honour/</link>
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		<title>By: alcessa</title>
		<link>http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/10/10/an-undeserved-honour/#comment-187353</link>
		<dc:creator>alcessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/10/10/an-undeserved-honour/#comment-187353</guid>
		<description>Yeah, it is quite OK to ask ourselves what it was that he did BUT (let's leave the issue of Hope aside, I think we've done that):

Before all the world and his wife decides this is THE moment to say "Obama?!?! WTF?" and get kudos for it, some analysis of the "Nobel Prize" situation would have been ok, especially for "real media" people. Because, it now turns out that saying the obvious, the expected, is not what only Obama seems to be good at, no? :-)

So,if, instead, we all wait with our judgement and do some reading instead, we may find out the Nobel Committee does that from time to time: namely, give out the Prize mostly for what is to come. 

German politicians have had much contact with Obama and they do claim to have seen some important changes, which will influence many things. Like: soldiers sent to Afghanistan, money earned selling climate-friendly technology to Americans who now officially believe in climate problems etc. The sheer possibility to be able to communicate with someone who's not a member of Bible Belt Taliban...

Obviously, I know I needn't tell you that, he's not going to create an America that's not fighting in wars. There are real problems out there plus many of typically American aspirations are not going to change so soon, if ever, full stop. Thus, I wasn't surprised that the Prize was given to someone who's still fighting with the Taliban, threatening Iran and trying hard to talk with North Korea. All these objections are simply silly, if we consider the idea of the Prize and all the prize winners so far. If we remember that A. Nobel himself wanted the prize to be given away for idealistic purposes. That the Committee are bound to his testament.

What I mean is: I have never seen such a bad global reaction to something a bit too complex and worth being specific about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it is quite OK to ask ourselves what it was that he did BUT (let&#8217;s leave the issue of Hope aside, I think we&#8217;ve done that):</p>
<p>Before all the world and his wife decides this is THE moment to say &#8220;Obama?!?! WTF?&#8221; and get kudos for it, some analysis of the &#8220;Nobel Prize&#8221; situation would have been ok, especially for &#8220;real media&#8221; people. Because, it now turns out that saying the obvious, the expected, is not what only Obama seems to be good at, no? <img src='http://www.pengovsky.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So,if, instead, we all wait with our judgement and do some reading instead, we may find out the Nobel Committee does that from time to time: namely, give out the Prize mostly for what is to come. </p>
<p>German politicians have had much contact with Obama and they do claim to have seen some important changes, which will influence many things. Like: soldiers sent to Afghanistan, money earned selling climate-friendly technology to Americans who now officially believe in climate problems etc. The sheer possibility to be able to communicate with someone who&#8217;s not a member of Bible Belt Taliban&#8230;</p>
<p>Obviously, I know I needn&#8217;t tell you that, he&#8217;s not going to create an America that&#8217;s not fighting in wars. There are real problems out there plus many of typically American aspirations are not going to change so soon, if ever, full stop. Thus, I wasn&#8217;t surprised that the Prize was given to someone who&#8217;s still fighting with the Taliban, threatening Iran and trying hard to talk with North Korea. All these objections are simply silly, if we consider the idea of the Prize and all the prize winners so far. If we remember that A. Nobel himself wanted the prize to be given away for idealistic purposes. That the Committee are bound to his testament.</p>
<p>What I mean is: I have never seen such a bad global reaction to something a bit too complex and worth being specific about.</p>
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		<title>By: pengovsky</title>
		<link>http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/10/10/an-undeserved-honour/#comment-187347</link>
		<dc:creator>pengovsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/10/10/an-undeserved-honour/#comment-187347</guid>
		<description>@alcessa: I agree, up to a point. I guess the main thing that bothers me is the fact that he got it &lt;I&gt;solely&lt;/I&gt; because he represents Hope, however founded or unfounded that representation might be.

Take Jack Kennedy, for example. He represented hope in the 60s. He even managed to avert a nuclear exchange. And if that doesn't merit a Nobel Peace Prize, then I don't know what does.

The thing is, that apart from &lt;I&gt;just being there&lt;/I&gt; the Big O. did absolutely nothing. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Obvisouly, because he hadn't had the time to do it. As you correctly note in &lt;a HREF="http://alcessa.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/yes-he-can/" rel="nofollow"&gt;your post&lt;/A&gt;(even if perhaps you didn't mean to), the main shift had been made within the US electorate. Obama has yet to prove that he is worthy of their trust.

He may very well prove that. In fact, I hope(!) that he will. For the sake of all of us. But it Nobel prizes are to be awarded on a "still-to-prove" basis, then literally anyone can get it. Which devalues the awards as well as those who had won it to date.

@MKL: Of course it's not his fault. What I'm afraid of is that style is (again) becoming a substitute for substance and we all know where that leads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@alcessa: I agree, up to a point. I guess the main thing that bothers me is the fact that he got it <i>solely</i> because he represents Hope, however founded or unfounded that representation might be.</p>
<p>Take Jack Kennedy, for example. He represented hope in the 60s. He even managed to avert a nuclear exchange. And if that doesn&#8217;t merit a Nobel Peace Prize, then I don&#8217;t know what does.</p>
<p>The thing is, that apart from <i>just being there</i> the Big O. did absolutely nothing. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Obvisouly, because he hadn&#8217;t had the time to do it. As you correctly note in <a href="http://alcessa.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/yes-he-can/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/alcessa.wordpress.com');">your post</a>(even if perhaps you didn&#8217;t mean to), the main shift had been made within the US electorate. Obama has yet to prove that he is worthy of their trust.</p>
<p>He may very well prove that. In fact, I hope(!) that he will. For the sake of all of us. But it Nobel prizes are to be awarded on a &#8220;still-to-prove&#8221; basis, then literally anyone can get it. Which devalues the awards as well as those who had won it to date.</p>
<p>@MKL: Of course it&#8217;s not his fault. What I&#8217;m afraid of is that style is (again) becoming a substitute for substance and we all know where that leads.</p>
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		<title>By: MKL</title>
		<link>http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/10/10/an-undeserved-honour/#comment-187342</link>
		<dc:creator>MKL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/10/10/an-undeserved-honour/#comment-187342</guid>
		<description>Well, it's not Obama's fault that he got this prize. The world will keep spinning, you know... wheather he deserves it or not... I'm so whatever on this non-issue :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s not Obama&#8217;s fault that he got this prize. The world will keep spinning, you know&#8230; wheather he deserves it or not&#8230; I&#8217;m so whatever on this non-issue <img src='http://www.pengovsky.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/10/10/an-undeserved-honour/#comment-187141</link>
		<dc:creator>christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 02:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/10/10/an-undeserved-honour/#comment-187141</guid>
		<description>SLY AND THE FAMILY STONE should have been the first black president and we could all Dance To The Music and have some Hot Fun In The Summertime; but NO! now its cheerful like Shastakovich Stalingrad symphony. And then we also could have got the Nobel for heavy funk..but again No. Greetings worker comrades and adios! from US</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SLY AND THE FAMILY STONE should have been the first black president and we could all Dance To The Music and have some Hot Fun In The Summertime; but NO! now its cheerful like Shastakovich Stalingrad symphony. And then we also could have got the Nobel for heavy funk..but again No. Greetings worker comrades and adios! from US</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Slovenia: Reactions to Obama&#8217;s Nobel Peace Prize</title>
		<link>http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/10/10/an-undeserved-honour/#comment-187128</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Slovenia: Reactions to Obama&#8217;s Nobel Peace Prize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/10/10/an-undeserved-honour/#comment-187128</guid>
		<description>[...] Some reactions to Barack Obama&#39;s Nobel Peace Prize - at Sleeping With Pengovsky.        Cancel this reply [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Some reactions to Barack Obama&#39;s Nobel Peace Prize - at Sleeping With Pengovsky.        Cancel this reply [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: alcessa</title>
		<link>http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/10/10/an-undeserved-honour/#comment-187114</link>
		<dc:creator>alcessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/10/10/an-undeserved-honour/#comment-187114</guid>
		<description>Thank you, I did manage to spare some thoughts for my own blog :-) 

I hope you're enjoying the high flowing skirts of &lt;i&gt;cancan&lt;/i&gt; plus Carla's smile and not &lt;i&gt;o sole mio&lt;/i&gt; in the land of The Great Pretender...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, I did manage to spare some thoughts for my own blog <img src='http://www.pengovsky.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I hope you&#8217;re enjoying the high flowing skirts of <i>cancan</i> plus Carla&#8217;s smile and not <i>o sole mio</i> in the land of The Great Pretender&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: šuši</title>
		<link>http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/10/10/an-undeserved-honour/#comment-187028</link>
		<dc:creator>šuši</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/10/10/an-undeserved-honour/#comment-187028</guid>
		<description>Yes I must say they put their best effort to it. At least someone makes me laugh once a year :evil:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I must say they put their best effort to it. At least someone makes me laugh once a year <img src='http://www.pengovsky.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_evil.gif' alt=':evil:' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: pengovsky</title>
		<link>http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/10/10/an-undeserved-honour/#comment-187016</link>
		<dc:creator>pengovsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/10/10/an-undeserved-honour/#comment-187016</guid>
		<description>@alcessa: write away! :mrgreen: I promise to answer in detail once I get back from the land of the other Nobel Prize Nominee

@šuši: and they're doing their damnest to keep it that way, aren't they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@alcessa: write away! <img src='http://www.pengovsky.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' /> I promise to answer in detail once I get back from the land of the other Nobel Prize Nominee</p>
<p>@šuši: and they&#8217;re doing their damnest to keep it that way, aren&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: camille</title>
		<link>http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/10/10/an-undeserved-honour/#comment-187014</link>
		<dc:creator>camille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/10/10/an-undeserved-honour/#comment-187014</guid>
		<description>the Nobel Peace Price is a totally arbitrary and subjective thing handed out by a bunch of people whose only responsibility it seems is sitting in some smoky room and deciding who to hand this money and glory out to every year. i couldn't care less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the Nobel Peace Price is a totally arbitrary and subjective thing handed out by a bunch of people whose only responsibility it seems is sitting in some smoky room and deciding who to hand this money and glory out to every year. i couldn&#8217;t care less.</p>
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		<title>By: alcessa</title>
		<link>http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/10/10/an-undeserved-honour/#comment-187008</link>
		<dc:creator>alcessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/10/10/an-undeserved-honour/#comment-187008</guid>
		<description>There's one more important aspect to this, I think:

saying Obama did nothing for peace between Israel and Palestina is the same as saying Janša/Turk/Türk/Pahor/Mate/Žbogar ... whoever, did nothing to erase the good old black-versus-red dividing line in Slovenia.

Surely we know both are nigh impossible? On all levels? (psychological, political, cultural...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s one more important aspect to this, I think:</p>
<p>saying Obama did nothing for peace between Israel and Palestina is the same as saying Janša/Turk/Türk/Pahor/Mate/Žbogar &#8230; whoever, did nothing to erase the good old black-versus-red dividing line in Slovenia.</p>
<p>Surely we know both are nigh impossible? On all levels? (psychological, political, cultural&#8230;)</p>
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