Comments on: Celebrating Independence By Beating Up Gays http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/07/07/celebrating-independence-by-beating-up-gays/ sex and politics Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:20:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Natural Order Of Things (Everyone Needs A Family) | SLEEPING WITH PENGOVSKY http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/07/07/celebrating-independence-by-beating-up-gays/#comment-187554 Natural Order Of Things (Everyone Needs A Family) | SLEEPING WITH PENGOVSKY Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:02:48 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/07/07/celebrating-independence-by-beating-up-gays/#comment-187554 [...] and gay activist Mitja Blažič and his partner. The same Mitja Blažič was also a victim of an anti-gay mob on this year’s Independence Day. Somewhat less public but still very important was a decision by one of Slovenian courts which [...] […] and gay activist Mitja Blažič and his partner. The same Mitja Blažič was also a victim of an anti-gay mob on this year’s Independence Day. Somewhat less public but still very important was a decision by one of Slovenian courts which […]

]]> By: dr. filomena http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/07/07/celebrating-independence-by-beating-up-gays/#comment-169764 dr. filomena Wed, 08 Jul 2009 06:43:19 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/07/07/celebrating-independence-by-beating-up-gays/#comment-169764 Football hooligans who commit acts of violence for whatever purpose, but particularly so in the case of racist or homophobic incidents, and are properly dealt with by the police are one thing. Media giving them attention dismissing them as isolated cases is another. Media giving their ideas supportive attention moves the same underlying issues into a whole different ballpark. Football hooligans who commit acts of violence for whatever purpose, but particularly so in the case of racist or homophobic incidents, and are properly dealt with by the police are one thing.

Media giving them attention dismissing them as isolated cases is another.

Media giving their ideas supportive attention moves the same underlying issues into a whole different ballpark.

]]> By: g http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/07/07/celebrating-independence-by-beating-up-gays/#comment-169759 g Wed, 08 Jul 2009 05:51:43 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/07/07/celebrating-independence-by-beating-up-gays/#comment-169759 I'm by no means saying it's true for everyone, but right wing football hooligans aren't exactly rare. Check the background of the viole maribor logo: http://www.violemaribor.com/ I only know that symbol from one context.. I’m by no means saying it’s true for everyone, but right wing football hooligans aren’t exactly rare. Check the background of the viole maribor logo: http://www.violemaribor.com/ I only know that symbol from one context..

]]> By: dr. filomena http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/07/07/celebrating-independence-by-beating-up-gays/#comment-169671 dr. filomena Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:39:20 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/07/07/celebrating-independence-by-beating-up-gays/#comment-169671 Ojoj, Dušan. Ojoj. Ojoj, Dušan. Ojoj.

]]> By: pengovsky http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/07/07/celebrating-independence-by-beating-up-gays/#comment-169629 pengovsky Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:10:37 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/07/07/celebrating-independence-by-beating-up-gays/#comment-169629 @Alen: Correct. As I wrote, attackers - at least those who were arrested - are members of a hooligan group. Apparently the more fervernt element of the Green Dragons. And yes, finding the "outer enemy" has a remarkably cohesive effect on a group - especially if the outer enemy is weaker than they are. Besides, since you already brought up Delije and Grobari - they were used (or should I say: they willfully participated) in bloodbath that until then was only attributed to Nazis. @Akustični Brivec: As I sad - the other guy is the second most famous Austrian :mrgreen: @Alen: Correct. As I wrote, attackers - at least those who were arrested - are members of a hooligan group. Apparently the more fervernt element of the Green Dragons.

And yes, finding the “outer enemy” has a remarkably cohesive effect on a group - especially if the outer enemy is weaker than they are.

Besides, since you already brought up Delije and Grobari - they were used (or should I say: they willfully participated) in bloodbath that until then was only attributed to Nazis.

@Akustični Brivec: As I sad - the other guy is the second most famous Austrian :mrgreen:

]]> By: Akustični Brivec http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/07/07/celebrating-independence-by-beating-up-gays/#comment-169602 Akustični Brivec Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:21:29 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/07/07/celebrating-independence-by-beating-up-gays/#comment-169602 I don't think Brüno is the second most famous Austrian anymore. I don’t think Brüno is the second most famous Austrian anymore.

]]> By: Alen http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/07/07/celebrating-independence-by-beating-up-gays/#comment-169596 Alen Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:08:59 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/07/07/celebrating-independence-by-beating-up-gays/#comment-169596 Not deffending the nazi idiots, but as I understand in this case the masked cowards were members of Ljubljana's Ultras - Green Dragons. Homofobic tendencies are very close to most of the sport hooligans as you might learn from the fact that the only time members of Delije (CZ) and Grobari (Partizan) joined forces was to stop and attack the last gay parade in Belgrade. It's funny how fear and populistic agenda seamed to have an effect that not even a national team can aspire to. Not deffending the nazi idiots, but as I understand in this case the masked cowards were members of Ljubljana’s Ultras - Green Dragons. Homofobic tendencies are very close to most of the sport hooligans as you might learn from the fact that the only time members of Delije (CZ) and Grobari (Partizan) joined forces was to stop and attack the last gay parade in Belgrade. It’s funny how fear and populistic agenda seamed to have an effect that not even a national team can aspire to.

]]> By: pengovsky http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/07/07/celebrating-independence-by-beating-up-gays/#comment-169585 pengovsky Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:00:27 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/07/07/celebrating-independence-by-beating-up-gays/#comment-169585 True. True... But perhaps the fact that website of the <a href="http://www.tu-je.si" rel="nofollow">people on the left photo</A> seems to be defunct as of recent can be taken as a good omen? True. True…

But perhaps the fact that website of the people on the left photo seems to be defunct as of recent can be taken as a good omen?

]]> By: g http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/07/07/celebrating-independence-by-beating-up-gays/#comment-169583 g Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:47:54 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/07/07/celebrating-independence-by-beating-up-gays/#comment-169583 Sad. Was waiting for this post. Grow slowly is an understatment.. When I moved here there wasn't even tukaj je stickers all over the place. Ironically, I was thinking when the border march thing was and there was a lack of interest in going there to protest against the boneheads, that the first incidents will be outside gayclubs. I was almost right, sadly. Anyhow. Come on Slovenia, stop taking the path of easy answers and populist politicians. Sad. Was waiting for this post. Grow slowly is an understatment.. When I moved here there wasn’t even tukaj je stickers all over the place. Ironically, I was thinking when the border march thing was and there was a lack of interest in going there to protest against the boneheads, that the first incidents will be outside gayclubs. I was almost right, sadly.

Anyhow. Come on Slovenia, stop taking the path of easy answers and populist politicians.

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