Comments on: Ljubljana To Get “Tito Street” http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/04/08/ljubljana-to-get-tito-street/ sex and politics Wed, 17 Mar 2010 03:53:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: How Slovenia Became A Banana Republic And How Two Former PM’s Had To Do With It | SLEEPING WITH PENGOVSKY http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/04/08/ljubljana-to-get-tito-street/#comment-195381 How Slovenia Became A Banana Republic And How Two Former PM’s Had To Do With It | SLEEPING WITH PENGOVSKY Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:03:58 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/04/08/ljubljana-to-get-tito-street/#comment-195381 [...] which have a function only in Slovene politics, would never have remained in the text. For example: Titova Street is in fact not really one of Ljubljana’s main streets but will be (once it is actually built) [...] […] which have a function only in Slovene politics, would never have remained in the text. For example: Titova Street is in fact not really one of Ljubljana’s main streets but will be (once it is actually built) […]

]]> By: Stožice Stadium Secures Shape (Sort of) | SLEEPING WITH PENGOVSKY http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/04/08/ljubljana-to-get-tito-street/#comment-173172 Stožice Stadium Secures Shape (Sort of) | SLEEPING WITH PENGOVSKY Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:04:00 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/04/08/ljubljana-to-get-tito-street/#comment-173172 [...] for 30 June 2010. Truth be told, the city still has to buy some property to build the controversial Titova Street which is basically a part of stadium infrastructure, but apparently that is being taken care [...] […] for 30 June 2010. Truth be told, the city still has to buy some property to build the controversial Titova Street which is basically a part of stadium infrastructure, but apparently that is being taken care […]

]]> By: Adding Insult To Injury | SLEEPING WITH PENGOVSKY http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/04/08/ljubljana-to-get-tito-street/#comment-163829 Adding Insult To Injury | SLEEPING WITH PENGOVSKY Tue, 26 May 2009 03:03:52 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/04/08/ljubljana-to-get-tito-street/#comment-163829 [...] Yesterday Ljubljana City councillors passed a decision to name the yet-to-be-built avenue after Josip Broz Tito. This in itself is not news as it the result of yesterday’s vote was more or less a foregone [...] […] Yesterday Ljubljana City councillors passed a decision to name the yet-to-be-built avenue after Josip Broz Tito. This in itself is not news as it the result of yesterday’s vote was more or less a foregone […]

]]> By: alcessa http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/04/08/ljubljana-to-get-tito-street/#comment-155528 alcessa Thu, 09 Apr 2009 07:08:44 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/04/08/ljubljana-to-get-tito-street/#comment-155528 Mr. P: I've been sent to moderation... (please, delete this) Mr. P: I’ve been sent to moderation… (please, delete this)

]]> By: alcessa http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/04/08/ljubljana-to-get-tito-street/#comment-155527 alcessa Thu, 09 Apr 2009 07:08:07 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/04/08/ljubljana-to-get-tito-street/#comment-155527 Yeah, well, I don't think we <a href="http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ds-rs.si/novice/foto/spomenik_MS.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.ds-rs.si/novice/sporocila/medn03_18.htm&usg=__6NWnR-TZBcBLKlzkJUFLcQr7GWs=&h=300&w=400&sz=28&hl=sl&start=5&um=1&tbnid=gxV3POGMtVKh9M:&tbnh=93&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dspomenik%2BRusom%2Bv%2BMurski%26hl%3Dsl%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:sl:official%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1" rel="nofollow">lack monuments dedicated to our history</a> :-) tourists could admire... You know, we all grew up with Tito (even those born after his death, I think), but so many of us had to grow up only with Tito-worship, loads of it, and it took quite some time and energy. If we want it or not, we all have a Tito Street - in us. All those images, words, big emotions... I was quite relieved when they did away with Tito streets. I wanted reality. As in: no more worship for people who were only people plus who probably killed so many other humans. It turned out this year Germans still have many schools named after SS members... Yeah, well, I don’t think we lack monuments dedicated to our history :-) tourists could admire…

You know, we all grew up with Tito (even those born after his death, I think), but so many of us had to grow up only with Tito-worship, loads of it, and it took quite some time and energy. If we want it or not, we all have a Tito Street - in us. All those images, words, big emotions…

I was quite relieved when they did away with Tito streets. I wanted reality. As in: no more worship for people who were only people plus who probably killed so many other humans.

It turned out this year Germans still have many schools named after SS members…

]]> By: Camille http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/04/08/ljubljana-to-get-tito-street/#comment-155461 Camille Thu, 09 Apr 2009 03:45:08 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/04/08/ljubljana-to-get-tito-street/#comment-155461 I don't think street names should be honors reserved for the most angelic of statesmen, I think names can also be historical document. I think the name Tito still brings smiles to many a Slovenian face, from the few I've surveyed and frankly the dude wasn't all bad. Come ahhhhhnnnn. Germany does this "sweeping the past under the multiculti rug" stuff and it brings tons of problems. Frankly, I love the old socialist statues and images I occasionally see in the country, it gives the country some flavor and frankly that stuff has now made the tourist-friendly shift from Red Scare(!!!!) to High Kitsch. I say keep it and let a hundred Titov trgs grow! I don’t think street names should be honors reserved for the most angelic of statesmen, I think names can also be historical document. I think the name Tito still brings smiles to many a Slovenian face, from the few I’ve surveyed and frankly the dude wasn’t all bad. Come ahhhhhnnnn. Germany does this “sweeping the past under the multiculti rug” stuff and it brings tons of problems. Frankly, I love the old socialist statues and images I occasionally see in the country, it gives the country some flavor and frankly that stuff has now made the tourist-friendly shift from Red Scare(!!!!) to High Kitsch. I say keep it and let a hundred Titov trgs grow!

]]> By: alcessa http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/04/08/ljubljana-to-get-tito-street/#comment-155261 alcessa Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:40:21 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/04/08/ljubljana-to-get-tito-street/#comment-155261 We seem to be escaping attention of Spiegel as post-war-killings-place(we must be lucky) while <a href="http://einestages.spiegel.de/static/topicalbumbackground/3931/das_raetsel_der_verschwundenen_division.html" rel="nofollow">Croatia gets the full attention</a>. They don't claim Tito was a major murderer - they only state the Wehrmacht got what they deserved. I don't like the idea of Tito Streets at all. We seem to be escaping attention of Spiegel as post-war-killings-place(we must be lucky) while Croatia gets the full attention. They don’t claim Tito was a major murderer - they only state the Wehrmacht got what they deserved.

I don’t like the idea of Tito Streets at all.

]]> By: nemanja http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/04/08/ljubljana-to-get-tito-street/#comment-155220 nemanja Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:40:04 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/04/08/ljubljana-to-get-tito-street/#comment-155220 Well we could also say that Mayor Jankovic is rectifying an injustice that was done to Tito by removing his name from a street. I know that Maribor, the stronghold of the SNS, has a pretty large and central Titova cesta, so why not the capital? Speaking of street name debates, last week in Serbia there was a small uproar over the renaming of a boulevard in Nis to carry the name of the legendary Roma singer (and native of Nis) Saban Bajramovic. Concerned citizens lodged a formal protest to the city authorities using the borderline incredible excuse that they liked the old name better (and a very "historic" and significant name it was - Southern Boulevard), that they could not afford to change personal identification etc, and finally, just to emphasizee their open-mindedness, they suggested that Saban should get a street named after him in his own neighbourhood, ie in the Roma slum. Fortunately, the city authorities resisted, and Saban got his own street. Perhaps the least we can do for Tito is give him one too. :) Well we could also say that Mayor Jankovic is rectifying an injustice that was done to Tito by removing his name from a street. I know that Maribor, the stronghold of the SNS, has a pretty large and central Titova cesta, so why not the capital?

Speaking of street name debates, last week in Serbia there was a small uproar over the renaming of a boulevard in Nis to carry the name of the legendary Roma singer (and native of Nis) Saban Bajramovic. Concerned citizens lodged a formal protest to the city authorities using the borderline incredible excuse that they liked the old name better (and a very “historic” and significant name it was - Southern Boulevard), that they could not afford to change personal identification etc, and finally, just to emphasizee their open-mindedness, they suggested that Saban should get a street named after him in his own neighbourhood, ie in the Roma slum.

Fortunately, the city authorities resisted, and Saban got his own street. Perhaps the least we can do for Tito is give him one too. :)

]]> By: dr. filomena http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/04/08/ljubljana-to-get-tito-street/#comment-155219 dr. filomena Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:39:20 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/04/08/ljubljana-to-get-tito-street/#comment-155219 @P: I'm disappointed about the caption ;) Should have read "Ti Boga, zar je vec podne?" @P: I’m disappointed about the caption ;) Should have read “Ti Boga, zar je vec podne?”

]]> By: Arbiter_universale http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/04/08/ljubljana-to-get-tito-street/#comment-155174 Arbiter_universale Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:04:09 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2009/04/08/ljubljana-to-get-tito-street/#comment-155174 "No points for guessing after whom…" Avenija Playboy. LP, Arbi “No points for guessing after whom…”

Avenija Playboy.

LP, Arbi

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