Comments on: Pahor’s Cabinet http://www.pengovsky.com/2008/11/12/pahors-cabinet/ sex and politics Sun, 14 Mar 2010 07:08:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Global Voices Online » Slovenia: New Government http://www.pengovsky.com/2008/11/12/pahors-cabinet/#comment-116847 Global Voices Online » Slovenia: New Government Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:05:18 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2008/11/12/pahors-cabinet/#comment-116847 [...] on Slovenia's new government - at Sleeping With Pengovsky, Kosmopolito, and Borut Peterlin's blog. Posted by Veronica Khokhlova  Print Version [...] […] on Slovenia's new government - at Sleeping With Pengovsky, Kosmopolito, and Borut Peterlin's blog. Posted by Veronica Khokhlova  Print Version […]

]]> By: More Questions Than Answers | SLEEPING WITH PENGOVSKY http://www.pengovsky.com/2008/11/12/pahors-cabinet/#comment-115278 More Questions Than Answers | SLEEPING WITH PENGOVSKY Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:44:17 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2008/11/12/pahors-cabinet/#comment-115278 [...] promised, a follow-up on a post from a week ago, where crni sparred with St. Luka, Davor and myself over what qualifies a person to be a minister [...] […] promised, a follow-up on a post from a week ago, where crni sparred with St. Luka, Davor and myself over what qualifies a person to be a minister […]

]]> By: pengovsky http://www.pengovsky.com/2008/11/12/pahors-cabinet/#comment-114695 pengovsky Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:56:15 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2008/11/12/pahors-cabinet/#comment-114695 Wow! Such a learned debate between two PhD candidates that I dare not interject. :) Just for the record: I never said that Golobič would maintain status quo and institute no changes. Quite the opposite in fact. This particular ministry would give him ample opportunity to make leaps forward, and still give him room to indulge in pure politics. "Would" being the operative word here. It is by no means a given. Wow! Such a learned debate between two PhD candidates that I dare not interject. :)

Just for the record: I never said that Golobič would maintain status quo and institute no changes. Quite the opposite in fact. This particular ministry would give him ample opportunity to make leaps forward, and still give him room to indulge in pure politics. “Would” being the operative word here. It is by no means a given.

]]> By: crni http://www.pengovsky.com/2008/11/12/pahors-cabinet/#comment-114690 crni Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:16:58 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2008/11/12/pahors-cabinet/#comment-114690 Naturally I don't have performance arguments, yet and I never claimed that. I still don't understand why they had to give GG that ministry. Especially because there is actually a very copetent and respected person who could do a very good job - Dr. Bostjan Zeks. He has recently written a piece where I agree with each and every point. http://razgledi.net/blog/2008/10/07/zakaj-nimamo-izjemnih-raziskav-in-izjemnih-raziskovalcev/#comments Naturally I don’t have performance arguments, yet and I never claimed that. I still don’t understand why they had to give GG that ministry. Especially because there is actually a very copetent and respected person who could do a very good job - Dr. Bostjan Zeks. He has recently written a piece where I agree with each and every point.

http://razgledi.net/blog/2008/10/07/zakaj-nimamo-izjemnih-raziskav-in-izjemnih-raziskovalcev/#comments

]]> By: Luka http://www.pengovsky.com/2008/11/12/pahors-cabinet/#comment-114504 Luka Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:58:02 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2008/11/12/pahors-cabinet/#comment-114504 The thing with Žižek was obviously a joke, so don't get steamed up too much. As for the rest, let's just go with my last sentence in previous commentary and continue this debate when you actually do have an argument against his performance as a minister (i.e. after he actually becomes minister and perhaps does some work) The thing with Žižek was obviously a joke, so don’t get steamed up too much. As for the rest, let’s just go with my last sentence in previous commentary and continue this debate when you actually do have an argument against his performance as a minister (i.e. after he actually becomes minister and perhaps does some work)

]]> By: crni http://www.pengovsky.com/2008/11/12/pahors-cabinet/#comment-114492 crni Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:24:02 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2008/11/12/pahors-cabinet/#comment-114492 Look, his appointment is not based on his qualifications for that particular ministry but rather purely political. I know that is how things are done and Pahor&Co have every right to do it that way, however Pahor was promising that "this time it will be different". More of the same. Your 20 years of study argument is a steaming pile of shit. Sorry. And hey, I am friends with a guy who is friends with a Nobel prize winner, does that mean that I am smart and competent? Jesus, some arguments are truly pulled out of a tightly squeezed butthole. What I am primarily concerned about is that GG will treat his position just like Pengovsky has described. Namely, will not care about the ministry, will maintain the status quo and not institute any changes. Perhaps give some of his buddies good permanent jobs, and that's that. His time and his mind will be occupied by other things. He hasn't cared about science or higher education all his life, why would he start now? Look, his appointment is not based on his qualifications for that particular ministry but rather purely political. I know that is how things are done and Pahor&Co have every right to do it that way, however Pahor was promising that “this time it will be different”. More of the same.

Your 20 years of study argument is a steaming pile of shit. Sorry. And hey, I am friends with a guy who is friends with a Nobel prize winner, does that mean that I am smart and competent? Jesus, some arguments are truly pulled out of a tightly squeezed butthole.

What I am primarily concerned about is that GG will treat his position just like Pengovsky has described. Namely, will not care about the ministry, will maintain the status quo and not institute any changes. Perhaps give some of his buddies good permanent jobs, and that’s that. His time and his mind will be occupied by other things. He hasn’t cared about science or higher education all his life, why would he start now?

]]> By: Luka http://www.pengovsky.com/2008/11/12/pahors-cabinet/#comment-114218 Luka Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:04:04 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2008/11/12/pahors-cabinet/#comment-114218 Well, he studied philosophy, and he did it for twenty years, which could mean that his diploma is much more thorough and theoretically relevant than of some kid, who graduated in four years (just an assumption, I never read the thing) so he is familiar with high education (and he is a good friend of Žižek :) ) Then he worked in Ultra, so he should know something about technology as well, I presume. On the other hand he had worked for many years in politics, and ministers are politicians and not professors. So, really, I still miss this big "incompetence" moment you seem to find particualry in GG. However, I am not professing any blind fate in him. He might as well turn out as completely disastrous minister. But I will criticize him than rather than throw at him this "incompetent" bullshit now, just because I'm not fan of his party. Well, he studied philosophy, and he did it for twenty years, which could mean that his diploma is much more thorough and theoretically relevant than of some kid, who graduated in four years (just an assumption, I never read the thing) so he is familiar with high education (and he is a good friend of Žižek :) ) Then he worked in Ultra, so he should know something about technology as well, I presume. On the other hand he had worked for many years in politics, and ministers are politicians and not professors. So, really, I still miss this big “incompetence” moment you seem to find particualry in GG.
However, I am not professing any blind fate in him. He might as well turn out as completely disastrous minister. But I will criticize him than rather than throw at him this “incompetent” bullshit now, just because I’m not fan of his party.

]]> By: crni http://www.pengovsky.com/2008/11/12/pahors-cabinet/#comment-114200 crni Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:20:46 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2008/11/12/pahors-cabinet/#comment-114200 It took him 20 years to get a diploma? He never worked in science, education or technology (at Ultra he was a manager)? You call that competent? It took him 20 years to get a diploma? He never worked in science, education or technology (at Ultra he was a manager)? You call that competent?

]]> By: Luka http://www.pengovsky.com/2008/11/12/pahors-cabinet/#comment-114177 Luka Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:15:37 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2008/11/12/pahors-cabinet/#comment-114177 Ok, the problem seems to be, that I fail to see this fact. So could you be so kind and explain again why exactly it is a fact that Golobič is not competent to run this ministry? Ok, the problem seems to be, that I fail to see this fact. So could you be so kind and explain again why exactly it is a fact that Golobič is not competent to run this ministry?

]]> By: crni http://www.pengovsky.com/2008/11/12/pahors-cabinet/#comment-114170 crni Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:57:11 +0000 http://www.pengovsky.com/2008/11/12/pahors-cabinet/#comment-114170 Again, we are not really discussing Zizek or scientist vs. humanities here. You guys keep trying to sidetrack the conversation. Golobic is not competent in science or higher education. That is a fact. His appointment is purely political. Also fact. Pahor was saying that his cabinet will be competent and professional, and yet he appointed Golobic to this post. Another fact. So what am I supposed to think here? The message is: Science and higher education is not important enough for Pahor to appoint a competent person to that ministry. Instead, he gave it to some politico, to give him ample time to participate in the backroom dealings and bullshitting. Again, we are not really discussing Zizek or scientist vs. humanities here. You guys keep trying to sidetrack the conversation.

Golobic is not competent in science or higher education. That is a fact. His appointment is purely political. Also fact. Pahor was saying that his cabinet will be competent and professional, and yet he appointed Golobic to this post. Another fact.

So what am I supposed to think here? The message is: Science and higher education is not important enough for Pahor to appoint a competent person to that ministry. Instead, he gave it to some politico, to give him ample time to participate in the backroom dealings and bullshitting.

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